WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:16.000 Unknown: So 00:04:00.000 --> 00:04:06.620 Unknown: herence of law enforcement at the 00:04:06.620 --> 00:04:08.620 Unknown: switch. 00:04:11.080 --> 00:04:14.560 Unknown: If any of them mind 00:04:14.560 --> 00:04:32.920 Unknown: Good evening and welcome to the Policy Committee and Special Board Meeting of June 10, 2026. 00:04:32.920 --> 00:04:35.939 SPEAKER_06: This room is equipped with a safety alarm. 00:04:35.939 --> 00:04:43.019 SPEAKER_06: If the alarm sounds, please leave in an orderly manner via the exits to the lobby or behind 00:04:43.019 --> 00:04:44.620 SPEAKER_06: the dais. 00:04:44.620 --> 00:04:52.740 SPEAKER_06: Assemble in front of the building and wait to hear the all-clear announcement from security 00:04:52.740 --> 00:04:55.779 SPEAKER_06: before re-entering. 00:04:55.779 --> 00:05:01.819 SPEAKER_06: This meeting is being recorded and can be accessed on SMUD's website. 00:05:01.819 --> 00:05:09.459 SPEAKER_06: Please remember to 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00:06:42.800 --> 00:06:43.800 SPEAKER_07: Chair Herber? 00:06:43.800 --> 00:06:44.800 SPEAKER_07: Here. 00:06:44.800 --> 00:06:45.800 SPEAKER_07: All committee members are present. 00:06:45.800 --> 00:06:49.920 SPEAKER_07: Also present are directors Bowie-Thompson, Sanborn, and present Tomayo. 00:06:49.920 --> 00:06:51.680 SPEAKER_06: Thank you. 00:06:51.680 --> 00:07:02.120 SPEAKER_06: Item number one is to discuss the monitoring report for strategic direction SD4 reliability. 00:07:02.120 --> 00:07:12.560 SPEAKER_06: This will be taken up at our board meeting this week. 00:07:12.560 --> 00:07:21.160 SPEAKER_06: And we want to welcome our presenter for tonight, Amandeep Singh, director of distribution planning 00:07:21.160 --> 00:07:24.920 SPEAKER_06: and operations. 00:07:24.920 --> 00:07:25.920 SPEAKER_00: Good evening. 00:07:25.920 --> 00:07:29.079 SPEAKER_00: Amandeep Singh, director of distribution planning and operations. 00:07:29.079 --> 00:07:35.919 SPEAKER_00: And tonight I'm here to present the 2025 SD4 annual monitoring report. 00:07:35.919 --> 00:07:37.599 SPEAKER_00: Next slide, please. 00:07:37.599 --> 00:07:43.079 SPEAKER_00: SD4 states that meeting the customer energy requirements is a core value for SMUD. 00:07:43.079 --> 00:07:48.360 SPEAKER_00: And that will be done by ensuring that we have our generation and power purchase portfolio 00:07:48.360 --> 00:07:56.479 SPEAKER_00: available 100% of the time and our transmission assets available 99.9% of the time. 00:07:56.480 --> 00:08:03.200 SPEAKER_00: On the distribution side, SD4 defines measurable targets both for system average interruption 00:08:03.200 --> 00:08:09.360 SPEAKER_00: duration index, known as SADI, and system average interruption frequency index, known 00:08:09.360 --> 00:08:10.840 SPEAKER_00: as SAFI. 00:08:10.840 --> 00:08:19.319 SPEAKER_00: The targets for SADI are 93.3 minutes, including major events, and 68.7 minutes, excluding 00:08:19.319 --> 00:08:20.319 SPEAKER_00: major events. 00:08:20.560 --> 00:08:27.399 SPEAKER_00: Similarly, the targets for SAFI are set at 1.14, excluding major events, and 1.33, including 00:08:27.399 --> 00:08:29.199 SPEAKER_00: major events. 00:08:29.199 --> 00:08:34.399 SPEAKER_00: Major events are defined as events when a state of emergency is declared by the government 00:08:34.399 --> 00:08:38.480 SPEAKER_00: in case of an earthquake, fire, or flooding. 00:08:38.480 --> 00:08:44.039 SPEAKER_00: And in the absence of state of emergency, SD4 defines the major events as events when 00:08:44.519 --> 00:08:51.919 SPEAKER_00: 10% of our customers are impacted or 15% of our assets are impacted, whichever is less. 00:08:51.919 --> 00:09:00.159 SPEAKER_00: SD4 mandates that no individual circuit would exceed the SADI and SAFI targets for two consecutive 00:09:00.159 --> 00:09:01.319 SPEAKER_00: years. 00:09:01.319 --> 00:09:06.360 SPEAKER_00: And if it does, then an immediate remedial action plan is issued which must be completed 00:09:06.360 --> 00:09:08.360 SPEAKER_00: within 18 months. 00:09:08.360 --> 00:09:16.080 SPEAKER_00: And lastly, SD4 requires SMUD to maintain its electrical system in good repair and make 00:09:16.080 --> 00:09:22.320 SPEAKER_00: the necessary infrastructure upgrades to ensure load serving capability and meet regulatory 00:09:22.320 --> 00:09:23.320 SPEAKER_00: standards. 00:09:23.320 --> 00:09:26.039 SPEAKER_00: Next slide, please. 00:09:26.039 --> 00:09:30.480 SPEAKER_00: Let's talk about the 2025 reliability results for SD4. 00:09:30.480 --> 00:09:37.279 SPEAKER_00: In 2025, SMUD met customers' energy supply needs 100% of the time through a combination 00:09:37.279 --> 00:09:40.959 SPEAKER_00: of SMUD's generation and power purchase supplies. 00:09:40.959 --> 00:09:45.319 SPEAKER_00: Digging a little deeper into the generation, our thermal generation assets were available 00:09:45.319 --> 00:09:48.279 SPEAKER_00: 88.6% of the time. 00:09:48.279 --> 00:09:52.079 SPEAKER_00: Hydro generation was available 90.2% of the times. 00:09:52.079 --> 00:09:58.199 SPEAKER_00: And during our peak loading months that occur between June and September, our thermal generation 00:09:58.199 --> 00:10:05.159 SPEAKER_00: was available 99.2% of the times, and our hydro generation was available 98.9% of the 00:10:05.159 --> 00:10:06.360 SPEAKER_00: time. 00:10:06.360 --> 00:10:16.120 SPEAKER_00: At system peak that occurred on July 11, 2025 at the value of 2,838 megawatts, 48% of our 00:10:16.120 --> 00:10:24.080 SPEAKER_00: generation was supplied by our internal resources, and 52% was provided by our purchased power. 00:10:24.080 --> 00:10:29.000 SPEAKER_00: And our overall transmission system availability was 100% this year. 00:10:29.000 --> 00:10:33.840 SPEAKER_00: So we met all the requirements for generation and transmission this year. 00:10:33.840 --> 00:10:35.920 SPEAKER_00: Next slide, please. 00:10:35.919 --> 00:10:41.479 SPEAKER_00: On the distribution side, SMUD was in compliance with both system average interruption duration 00:10:41.479 --> 00:10:46.679 SPEAKER_00: index and system average interruption frequency index. 00:10:46.679 --> 00:10:53.519 SPEAKER_00: The value for the final value for safety came out to be 0.87, both for major events and 00:10:53.519 --> 00:10:55.240 SPEAKER_00: excluding major events. 00:10:55.240 --> 00:11:01.799 SPEAKER_00: And our value for SADI was 49.7 minutes, both for including major events and excluding major 00:11:01.799 --> 00:11:02.799 SPEAKER_00: events. 00:11:02.799 --> 00:11:08.359 SPEAKER_00: The reason why the values are identical for both these categories is because there were 00:11:08.359 --> 00:11:13.240 SPEAKER_00: no events in 2025 that qualified as major events. 00:11:13.240 --> 00:11:22.879 SPEAKER_00: And 98.8% of our distribution circuits, 740 out of 749 circuits met the reliability criteria 00:11:22.879 --> 00:11:26.000 SPEAKER_00: as outlined in SD4. 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:28.839 SPEAKER_00: Next slide, please. 00:11:28.840 --> 00:11:36.200 SPEAKER_00: This is a chart that shows comparison of our SADI performance over the last five years. 00:11:36.200 --> 00:11:43.160 SPEAKER_00: The orange line on the bottom horizontal line is our SD4 limit excluding major events, which 00:11:43.160 --> 00:11:46.080 SPEAKER_00: is 68.7 minutes. 00:11:46.080 --> 00:11:53.680 SPEAKER_00: And the top horizontal green line is our SD4 limit including major events, which is 93.3 00:11:53.680 --> 00:11:54.960 SPEAKER_00: minutes. 00:11:54.960 --> 00:12:00.840 SPEAKER_00: The main difference between the years 2025 and the rest of the four years shown on this 00:12:00.840 --> 00:12:06.080 SPEAKER_00: chart is that, like I mentioned earlier, there were no events this year that qualified as 00:12:06.080 --> 00:12:12.480 SPEAKER_00: major events, which is why we do not see the magenta spikes that we see in the years from 00:12:12.480 --> 00:12:15.080 SPEAKER_00: 2021 to 2024. 00:12:15.080 --> 00:12:23.519 SPEAKER_00: The main contributors this year, or in 2025, for the outages were wind, equipment failures, 00:12:23.519 --> 00:12:29.240 SPEAKER_00: underground cable failures, vehicle accidents, unknown causes, and all other causes. 00:12:29.240 --> 00:12:34.480 SPEAKER_00: In all other causes are the categories that were otherwise not large enough to be shown 00:12:34.480 --> 00:12:35.480 SPEAKER_00: on this chart. 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:43.919 SPEAKER_00: But they consist of the animal and bird related outages, tree related outages, foreign material 00:12:43.919 --> 00:12:50.000 SPEAKER_00: on the line, as well as lightning strikes, to name a few. 00:12:50.000 --> 00:12:52.720 SPEAKER_00: Next slide, please. 00:12:52.720 --> 00:12:55.200 SPEAKER_00: This is a similar chart for safety. 00:12:55.200 --> 00:13:02.800 SPEAKER_00: Again, the orange horizontal line is our SD4 limit for safety excluding major events. 00:13:02.800 --> 00:13:10.440 SPEAKER_00: 1.14 is the value, and the yellow horizontal line is our SD4 limit including major events, 00:13:10.440 --> 00:13:14.000 SPEAKER_00: which is set at 1.33. 00:13:14.000 --> 00:13:15.920 SPEAKER_00: Very similar comparison. 00:13:15.920 --> 00:13:17.320 SPEAKER_00: No major events this year. 00:13:17.320 --> 00:13:21.360 SPEAKER_00: That's why we do not see the magenta spikes. 00:13:21.360 --> 00:13:28.399 SPEAKER_00: And very, or actually the same outage contributors with wind equipment failures, underground 00:13:28.399 --> 00:13:36.560 SPEAKER_00: cable failures, and vehicle accidents being the main causes of outages in 2025. 00:13:36.560 --> 00:13:38.480 SPEAKER_00: Next slide, please. 00:13:38.480 --> 00:13:41.320 Unknown: 2025's worst performing circuits. 00:13:41.320 --> 00:13:48.120 SPEAKER_00: As I mentioned earlier in my introduction, SD4 mandates that no individual circuit can 00:13:48.720 --> 00:13:52.639 SPEAKER_00: exceed the SD4, safety and safety limits for two consecutive years. 00:13:52.639 --> 00:13:57.240 SPEAKER_00: And if they do, we have to issue a remedial action plan. 00:13:57.240 --> 00:14:03.759 SPEAKER_00: So in 2025, there were nine circuits out of our 749 distribution circuits that did exceed 00:14:03.759 --> 00:14:10.320 SPEAKER_00: the reliability limits for the second consecutive year in 2025, which is why we issued 20 projects 00:14:10.320 --> 00:14:12.600 SPEAKER_00: to rectify these issues. 00:14:12.600 --> 00:14:17.440 SPEAKER_00: And the remaining six, or out of those 20 projects, 14 projects have been completed, 00:14:17.440 --> 00:14:21.560 SPEAKER_00: and the remaining six projects are in the process of getting completed. 00:14:21.560 --> 00:14:26.760 SPEAKER_06: Could you give us an idea of where these projects are? 00:14:26.760 --> 00:14:27.760 Unknown: Yes. 00:14:27.760 --> 00:14:29.760 SPEAKER_00: They're all across our territory. 00:14:29.760 --> 00:14:37.480 SPEAKER_00: They're Sacramento, Citrus Heights, Elk Grove, downtown Sacramento. 00:14:37.480 --> 00:14:40.560 SPEAKER_00: So that's where they are all located. 00:14:40.560 --> 00:14:45.960 SPEAKER_00: And most of them were the cable failures. 00:14:45.960 --> 00:14:48.840 SPEAKER_00: Next slide, please. 00:14:48.840 --> 00:14:50.200 SPEAKER_00: That concludes my presentation. 00:14:50.200 --> 00:14:57.560 SPEAKER_00: So I'm requesting the board to accept the 2025 SD4 monitoring report. 00:14:57.560 --> 00:15:02.440 SPEAKER_00: Do we have any questions? 00:15:02.440 --> 00:15:07.000 SPEAKER_06: Seeing none, then this would go on our consent calendar. 00:15:07.000 --> 00:15:08.000 SPEAKER_06: Is that correct? 00:15:08.000 --> 00:15:09.000 Unknown: Okay. 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:10.000 Unknown: That is correct. 00:15:10.000 --> 00:15:11.000 SPEAKER_07: Oh, yes. 00:15:11.000 --> 00:15:12.000 SPEAKER_07: Go ahead, President. 00:15:13.000 --> 00:15:29.120 SPEAKER_01: So the circuits that went down, you said that primarily underground cable failures? 00:15:29.120 --> 00:15:30.120 SPEAKER_01: Is that what it is? 00:15:30.120 --> 00:15:32.039 SPEAKER_00: The majority of them are underground cable failures. 00:15:32.039 --> 00:15:33.759 SPEAKER_00: The majority of those nine are. 00:15:33.759 --> 00:15:35.879 SPEAKER_00: There are other causes as well. 00:15:35.879 --> 00:15:39.720 SPEAKER_00: There were some recloser-related outages. 00:15:39.720 --> 00:15:45.000 SPEAKER_00: One was the avian protection-related outages that we fixed. 00:15:45.000 --> 00:15:48.560 SPEAKER_00: But most of them are the cable failures, yes. 00:15:48.560 --> 00:15:58.399 SPEAKER_01: Do we have some sort of a process for addressing types of circuits or identifying types of 00:15:58.399 --> 00:16:05.200 SPEAKER_01: circuits that are most likely to fail and trying to get ahead of this so we don't? 00:16:06.200 --> 00:16:12.759 SPEAKER_00: And on an annual basis, we're replacing 200,000 feet of underground cables that we do on an 00:16:12.759 --> 00:16:13.759 SPEAKER_00: annual basis. 00:16:13.759 --> 00:16:19.720 SPEAKER_00: So, yes, we do have a program that we proactively replace our underground cable. 00:16:19.720 --> 00:16:28.879 SPEAKER_01: Do we think that we're catching up to the predicted failure rate? 00:16:28.879 --> 00:16:34.320 SPEAKER_01: I know the prediction can't be perfect, but we must have some sort of idea of what we 00:16:34.320 --> 00:16:35.320 SPEAKER_01: expect. 00:16:35.320 --> 00:16:44.160 SPEAKER_01: Are we narrowing that population as we're replacing cable? 00:16:44.160 --> 00:16:45.160 SPEAKER_00: We definitely are. 00:16:45.160 --> 00:16:50.160 SPEAKER_00: We're with our preventative maintenance as well as the proactive cable replacement, yes. 00:16:50.160 --> 00:16:57.160 SPEAKER_00: The underground cable failures over the years, they have the contributions to the overall 00:16:57.160 --> 00:16:59.120 SPEAKER_00: safety and safety limits. 00:16:59.120 --> 00:17:00.680 SPEAKER_00: That has come down, yes. 00:17:00.680 --> 00:17:01.680 SPEAKER_00: Okay. 00:17:01.680 --> 00:17:02.680 SPEAKER_00: Thank you. 00:17:02.680 --> 00:17:03.680 Unknown: All right. 00:17:04.039 --> 00:17:09.960 SPEAKER_06: Well, Chief Legal Officer, have we received any requests to speak on item number one from 00:17:09.960 --> 00:17:12.159 SPEAKER_06: our virtual attendees? 00:17:12.159 --> 00:17:13.759 Unknown: No, we have not. 00:17:13.759 --> 00:17:15.359 SPEAKER_07: I'm going to make a comment. 00:17:15.359 --> 00:17:16.359 SPEAKER_06: Okay. 00:17:16.359 --> 00:17:19.240 SPEAKER_06: We'll have a comment from Director. 00:17:19.240 --> 00:17:22.240 SPEAKER_02: A couple things. 00:17:22.240 --> 00:17:25.559 SPEAKER_02: One, and I know this has come through. 00:17:25.559 --> 00:17:30.639 SPEAKER_02: I have some customers in my ward that are along Mississippi Bar and they only have one 00:17:30.640 --> 00:17:31.640 SPEAKER_02: access point. 00:17:31.640 --> 00:17:37.280 SPEAKER_02: They're vulnerable to having outages and it's been ongoing for years. 00:17:37.280 --> 00:17:42.240 SPEAKER_02: But it brought an idea to my mind is when we see certain circuits that aren't necessarily 00:17:42.240 --> 00:17:45.080 SPEAKER_02: meeting their reliability, I was thinking about how can we be creative. 00:17:45.080 --> 00:17:51.600 SPEAKER_02: I said, well, maybe we can extend some kind of enhanced battery incentive to people in 00:17:51.600 --> 00:17:53.320 SPEAKER_02: that specific neighborhood. 00:17:53.320 --> 00:17:54.800 SPEAKER_02: I wanted to just throw that out there. 00:17:54.800 --> 00:17:58.160 SPEAKER_02: I was trying to make sure we're thinking creatively. 00:17:58.160 --> 00:18:03.240 SPEAKER_02: You put behavioral psychology, maybe you say, okay, we're going to offer you a 10%, 00:18:03.240 --> 00:18:10.080 SPEAKER_02: 25% bump on our incentive because we're going to fix this, but we know it may matter to 00:18:10.080 --> 00:18:11.759 SPEAKER_02: you and it impacts people differently. 00:18:11.759 --> 00:18:18.320 SPEAKER_02: So I just thought that the staff is something to make me think about and how to be creative 00:18:18.320 --> 00:18:20.680 SPEAKER_02: with cross-cutting policies. 00:18:20.680 --> 00:18:24.960 SPEAKER_02: And then one comment about the presentation, and this will be a suggestion. 00:18:25.960 --> 00:18:33.600 Unknown: In past years, I've asked about how do our safety and safety compare to industry standards. 00:18:33.600 --> 00:18:37.880 SPEAKER_02: I know at one point I had come across the SCE standards and then I was told that they're 00:18:37.880 --> 00:18:40.279 SPEAKER_02: definitely not apples to apples. 00:18:40.279 --> 00:18:43.819 SPEAKER_02: But for me, I think something that would be helpful to add to that report is some kind 00:18:43.819 --> 00:18:50.440 SPEAKER_02: of slide that would give us a comparison of what is standard in the industry. 00:18:50.440 --> 00:18:55.120 SPEAKER_02: Because I know we've heard this verbally over the years, especially from Maria in the 00:18:55.120 --> 00:18:59.759 SPEAKER_02: past, that our standards are actually very tight and aggressive in industry leading. 00:18:59.759 --> 00:19:02.799 SPEAKER_02: But it would be good that we don't have to come here every year and think about that. 00:19:02.799 --> 00:19:04.880 SPEAKER_02: You can put it right under our notes. 00:19:04.880 --> 00:19:06.200 SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's my thought. 00:19:06.200 --> 00:19:07.200 SPEAKER_05: Yes, Frankie? 00:19:07.200 --> 00:19:09.120 SPEAKER_05: Frankie Mcderm, Chief Operating Officer. 00:19:09.120 --> 00:19:14.559 SPEAKER_05: I think coincidentally, the second presentation from Amadeep that talks about a change to 00:19:14.559 --> 00:19:16.980 SPEAKER_05: ST4 includes information around benchmarking. 00:19:16.980 --> 00:19:18.740 SPEAKER_05: So see the side meet what you need. 00:19:18.740 --> 00:19:23.099 SPEAKER_05: But I see what you're saying to make it standard as part of that's the board's wishes. 00:19:23.099 --> 00:19:24.099 SPEAKER_05: We can certainly consider that. 00:19:24.099 --> 00:19:27.380 SPEAKER_05: Okay, I saw the change of the numbers, but I didn't see that second part. 00:19:27.380 --> 00:19:29.700 SPEAKER_02: So maybe we're all going to hit it in a minute. 00:19:29.700 --> 00:19:30.700 SPEAKER_02: Those are my thoughts. 00:19:30.700 --> 00:19:31.700 SPEAKER_02: Thanks, guys. 00:19:31.700 --> 00:19:32.700 SPEAKER_06: Sure. 00:19:32.700 --> 00:19:38.620 SPEAKER_06: Okay, we're going to move on now to item number two, which is to discuss approving proposed 00:19:38.620 --> 00:19:45.779 SPEAKER_06: revisions to strategic direction SD4 reliability. 00:19:45.779 --> 00:19:49.379 SPEAKER_06: And our presenter is the same. 00:19:49.379 --> 00:19:52.700 SPEAKER_06: Amandeep Singh, please go ahead. 00:19:52.700 --> 00:19:55.539 Unknown: Good evening again. 00:19:55.539 --> 00:19:56.539 SPEAKER_00: Amandeep Singh. 00:19:56.539 --> 00:19:59.259 SPEAKER_00: I'm the Director of Distribution Planning and Operations. 00:19:59.259 --> 00:20:05.619 SPEAKER_00: And tonight I'm here to seek approval to SD4's System Average Interruption Duration Index, 00:20:05.619 --> 00:20:08.700 SPEAKER_00: or SADI, targets. 00:20:08.700 --> 00:20:11.379 SPEAKER_00: Just a quick background on SD4. 00:20:11.980 --> 00:20:19.820 SPEAKER_00: SD4 defines measurable targets for both System Average Interruption Duration Index, or SADI, 00:20:19.820 --> 00:20:23.620 SPEAKER_00: and System Average Interruption Frequency Index, SAFE. 00:20:23.620 --> 00:20:28.640 SPEAKER_00: The targets were first introduced into SD4 in 2003. 00:20:28.640 --> 00:20:33.060 SPEAKER_00: And the target for SADI was set at 68.7 minutes. 00:20:33.060 --> 00:20:37.180 SPEAKER_00: And for SAFE it was set at 1.14. 00:20:37.220 --> 00:20:43.740 SPEAKER_00: In 2009, we introduced the concept of major events into SD4. 00:20:43.740 --> 00:20:48.420 SPEAKER_00: Major events are defined as the events when a state of emergency is declared by the government 00:20:48.420 --> 00:20:53.140 SPEAKER_00: in case of an earthquake, fire, or severe storms or flooding. 00:20:53.140 --> 00:21:01.660 SPEAKER_00: And in absence of a state of emergency declaration, SMUD's SD4 defines the major events as the 00:21:01.660 --> 00:21:08.019 SPEAKER_00: events when 10% of our customers are out of service or 15% of our assets are impacted, 00:21:08.019 --> 00:21:09.580 SPEAKER_00: whichever is less. 00:21:09.580 --> 00:21:15.380 SPEAKER_00: So in 2009, we introduced two new targets into SD4. 00:21:15.380 --> 00:21:23.220 SPEAKER_00: SADI with major events that was set at 93.3 minutes, and SAFE with major events that was 00:21:23.220 --> 00:21:25.740 SPEAKER_00: set at 1.33. 00:21:25.740 --> 00:21:30.740 SPEAKER_00: And our targets have not been modified or changed since 2009. 00:21:32.740 --> 00:21:35.579 SPEAKER_00: A regular review and revision of these metrics are critical. 00:21:35.579 --> 00:21:41.299 SPEAKER_00: It's a very common utility practice to evaluate these targets periodically and modify them 00:21:41.299 --> 00:21:43.059 SPEAKER_00: as necessary. 00:21:43.059 --> 00:21:44.059 SPEAKER_00: Next slide, please. 00:21:46.299 --> 00:21:55.579 SPEAKER_00: Okay, this graph shows the comparison of our SADI performance over the years since 00:21:56.059 --> 00:21:59.980 SPEAKER_00: the targets were first introduced in 2003. 00:21:59.980 --> 00:22:05.939 SPEAKER_00: The dashed yellow line is our SADI target with major events that was set in 2009 at 00:22:05.939 --> 00:22:08.460 SPEAKER_00: 93.3 minutes. 00:22:08.460 --> 00:22:14.500 SPEAKER_00: And the red diamonds are the years when we've missed our targets for SADI, including major 00:22:14.500 --> 00:22:15.659 SPEAKER_00: events. 00:22:15.659 --> 00:22:20.379 SPEAKER_00: And if you focus your attention to the right side of this chart, you will notice that we 00:22:20.380 --> 00:22:25.820 SPEAKER_00: have missed these targets seven out of 10 times in the last 10 years and four out of 00:22:25.820 --> 00:22:29.100 SPEAKER_00: five times in the last five years. 00:22:29.100 --> 00:22:34.700 SPEAKER_00: And that is due to the well-documented climate-induced events and the storms that we have seen, the 00:22:34.700 --> 00:22:40.700 SPEAKER_00: winter storms that the Sacramento region has seen over the last decade. 00:22:40.700 --> 00:22:43.420 SPEAKER_00: Next slide, please. 00:22:43.420 --> 00:22:50.700 SPEAKER_00: To evaluate our performance and our targets, we hired a consulting company, Sergeant and 00:22:50.700 --> 00:22:55.660 SPEAKER_00: Lundy, to benchmark our performance and targets against other utilities. 00:22:55.660 --> 00:23:01.340 SPEAKER_00: We benchmarked 35 different utilities that were similar in size and similar geographical 00:23:01.340 --> 00:23:03.180 SPEAKER_00: locations as us. 00:23:03.180 --> 00:23:09.539 SPEAKER_00: And we found out that 26% of these utilities have a target for SADI excluding major events, 00:23:09.619 --> 00:23:15.460 SPEAKER_00: which means 74% of the utilities do not have any formal SADI targets. 00:23:15.460 --> 00:23:19.099 SPEAKER_00: Does not mean that they do not monitor their performance, but they just do not have any 00:23:19.099 --> 00:23:21.500 SPEAKER_00: formal targets. 00:23:21.500 --> 00:23:28.659 SPEAKER_00: And no utilities other than SMUD had a target for SADI that includes major events. 00:23:28.659 --> 00:23:32.259 SPEAKER_00: So we're one-on-one in that category. 00:23:32.259 --> 00:23:38.259 SPEAKER_00: And although SMUD has exceeded its reliability limits for four out of the last five years, 00:23:38.259 --> 00:23:41.980 SPEAKER_00: SMUD has outperformed its pure electrical utilities. 00:23:41.980 --> 00:23:49.819 SPEAKER_00: And one such comparison is shown to the right side of this slide where our SADI is compared 00:23:49.819 --> 00:23:53.339 SPEAKER_00: against our CPU CPers. 00:23:53.339 --> 00:24:00.500 SPEAKER_00: On the chart, you will see the dotted red line is our SADI target, including major events, 00:24:00.500 --> 00:24:02.579 SPEAKER_00: 93.3 minutes. 00:24:02.579 --> 00:24:10.619 SPEAKER_00: And the bold maroon color is our SADI performance, and the other colors indicate the performance 00:24:10.619 --> 00:24:13.619 SPEAKER_00: for SADI for our CPU CPers. 00:24:13.619 --> 00:24:18.779 SPEAKER_00: Our strong performance against our peers indicates that our infrastructure and outage management 00:24:18.779 --> 00:24:22.939 SPEAKER_00: strategies are more robust than our peers. 00:24:22.939 --> 00:24:27.259 SPEAKER_00: And our targets, excluding major events, are very well calibrated, and in fact, they're 00:24:27.259 --> 00:24:31.139 SPEAKER_00: more stringent than the majority of our peers. 00:24:31.300 --> 00:24:36.420 Unknown: However, our targets with major events are not commonly used. 00:24:36.420 --> 00:24:40.140 SPEAKER_00: In fact, we are the only known utility who has those targets. 00:24:40.140 --> 00:24:44.940 SPEAKER_00: And they introduced uncontrollable variabilities, and they must be relooked at. 00:24:44.940 --> 00:24:47.940 Unknown: I have a quick question. 00:24:47.940 --> 00:24:59.540 SPEAKER_06: Did you do any comparisons with, like, Roseville or Lodi or public power entities? 00:24:59.540 --> 00:25:00.540 SPEAKER_00: We did. 00:25:01.539 --> 00:25:09.539 SPEAKER_00: Roseville and the other utilities were part of those 35 utilities that we compared against, 00:25:09.539 --> 00:25:10.539 SPEAKER_00: yes. 00:25:10.539 --> 00:25:12.539 SPEAKER_00: So we did do a comparison. 00:25:15.539 --> 00:25:21.819 SPEAKER_00: Okay, so moving forward, we looked at three different options for our SADI targets, including 00:25:21.819 --> 00:25:23.339 SPEAKER_00: major events. 00:25:23.339 --> 00:25:27.779 SPEAKER_00: The first option that we looked at was to eliminate the targets altogether. 00:25:27.779 --> 00:25:36.019 SPEAKER_00: That would bring us in line with our peers and remove the accountability for the events 00:25:36.019 --> 00:25:39.379 SPEAKER_00: and the factors that we have no control over. 00:25:39.379 --> 00:25:42.980 SPEAKER_00: Second option that we looked at was going with a five-year average. 00:25:42.980 --> 00:25:48.379 SPEAKER_00: Again, a very commonly used utility practice to go with a rolling five-year average based 00:25:48.379 --> 00:25:51.059 SPEAKER_00: on your own performance. 00:25:51.059 --> 00:25:57.779 SPEAKER_00: So the five-year average would bring us to 198.1 minutes, as shown in the chart with 00:25:57.779 --> 00:26:00.819 SPEAKER_00: the dotted yellow line on the top. 00:26:00.819 --> 00:26:06.460 SPEAKER_00: And then the third option that we looked at was going with a 10-year average of our own 00:26:06.460 --> 00:26:09.379 SPEAKER_00: performance over the last 10 years. 00:26:09.379 --> 00:26:15.819 SPEAKER_00: That would bring us to 142.8 minutes for our SADI targets, as shown in the dashed orange 00:26:15.819 --> 00:26:18.940 SPEAKER_00: line in this chart. 00:26:18.940 --> 00:26:23.820 SPEAKER_00: Last recommendation is to change our SADI targets with major events based on a 10-year 00:26:23.820 --> 00:26:25.539 SPEAKER_00: average. 00:26:25.539 --> 00:26:31.980 SPEAKER_00: And that would, sort of rising to a 10-year average would maintain a very aggressive target 00:26:31.980 --> 00:26:34.340 SPEAKER_00: while keeping us strategically aligned. 00:26:34.340 --> 00:26:37.660 SPEAKER_00: It's a very aggressive target, most aggressive out of the three targets. 00:26:37.660 --> 00:26:43.380 SPEAKER_00: But we feel it's achievable given the improvements that we have made in our strong management 00:26:43.380 --> 00:26:48.700 SPEAKER_00: processes and the investments that we have made in our grid over the last few years. 00:26:48.700 --> 00:26:59.940 SPEAKER_00: Very ambitious target, and it will keep SMUD maintaining its leadership in the reliability 00:26:59.940 --> 00:27:05.220 SPEAKER_00: arena by holding itself to more stringent targets than our peers. 00:27:05.220 --> 00:27:07.980 SPEAKER_06: So just a question. 00:27:07.980 --> 00:27:13.580 SPEAKER_06: We know we're always better than the investor-owned utilities. 00:27:13.580 --> 00:27:16.779 SPEAKER_06: That's just bottom line. 00:27:16.859 --> 00:27:24.859 SPEAKER_06: I don't think I got an answer to my question about what does the benchmarking look like 00:27:24.859 --> 00:27:35.740 SPEAKER_06: for Roseville, for Lodi, for our true peers? 00:27:35.740 --> 00:27:45.019 SPEAKER_06: Just comparing us to the CPUC utilities that are not performing so fabulously doesn't really 00:27:45.019 --> 00:27:50.220 SPEAKER_06: give me insight into what we're looking at. 00:27:50.220 --> 00:27:56.299 SPEAKER_00: So they were all part of the benchmarking study, and 25% or 26% of them have targets, 00:27:56.299 --> 00:27:58.220 SPEAKER_00: and the others do not even have the targets. 00:27:58.220 --> 00:28:03.619 SPEAKER_00: They monitor their performance, but they do not have targets. 00:28:03.619 --> 00:28:06.539 SPEAKER_00: Roseville was part of that study that we conducted. 00:28:06.539 --> 00:28:11.900 SPEAKER_00: I do not remember the numbers exactly how we compared against Roseville, but the general 00:28:11.900 --> 00:28:20.540 SPEAKER_00: consent was that they were performing better than what we benchmarked against. 00:28:20.540 --> 00:28:34.019 SPEAKER_06: Are these other publicly owned utilities not including major outages in their SAFI or SADI? 00:28:34.019 --> 00:28:38.860 SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so we did not limit ourselves to just these 35 utilities. 00:28:38.859 --> 00:28:45.139 SPEAKER_00: We actually made calls and contacts with other utilities too because we thought it 00:28:45.139 --> 00:28:50.339 SPEAKER_00: was pretty unique as well, that we are the only utility that has those targets. 00:28:50.339 --> 00:28:56.099 SPEAKER_00: So far we haven't found another utility that has the targets including major events because 00:28:56.099 --> 00:29:05.219 SPEAKER_00: they do not see that relying their performance based on the external factors is a true indicator 00:29:05.219 --> 00:29:06.699 SPEAKER_00: of their core performance. 00:29:06.699 --> 00:29:08.099 SPEAKER_00: That's how the utilities see it. 00:29:08.299 --> 00:29:11.099 SPEAKER_00: They analyze that separately. 00:29:11.099 --> 00:29:14.539 SPEAKER_00: They do monitor their performance, but they do not have formal targets. 00:29:14.539 --> 00:29:15.539 Unknown: Okay. 00:29:15.539 --> 00:29:18.539 SPEAKER_06: I have a question. 00:29:18.539 --> 00:29:24.339 Unknown: We'll get through the last slide and then I'll answer the questions. 00:29:24.339 --> 00:29:26.339 SPEAKER_00: Next slide please. 00:29:26.339 --> 00:29:35.740 SPEAKER_00: So in summary, our proposal is to retain our SADI and SAFI targets, excluding major events, 00:29:35.740 --> 00:29:39.180 SPEAKER_00: to what was set in 2003. 00:29:39.180 --> 00:29:45.099 SPEAKER_00: So we're retaining our SADI without major events at 68.7 minutes, the target. 00:29:45.099 --> 00:29:50.779 SPEAKER_00: We're retaining our SAFI target without major events at 1.14. 00:29:50.779 --> 00:29:56.819 SPEAKER_00: We're retaining our SAFI with major events target at 1.33, but we're proposing to change 00:29:56.819 --> 00:30:03.859 SPEAKER_00: our limit for SADI with major events from 93.3 minutes to 142.8 minutes. 00:30:05.940 --> 00:30:09.259 Unknown: And that's my last slide. 00:30:09.259 --> 00:30:10.259 Unknown: Okay. 00:30:10.259 --> 00:30:13.259 SPEAKER_06: Do we have any questions? 00:30:13.259 --> 00:30:16.620 Unknown: Yes, Director Sanborn. 00:30:16.620 --> 00:30:21.859 Unknown: I'm just surprised to see the level of specificity, 148 point something minutes. 00:30:21.859 --> 00:30:25.460 Unknown: Do we need to be that specific? 00:30:25.460 --> 00:30:27.620 Unknown: There's like engineering calculations. 00:30:27.620 --> 00:30:28.620 SPEAKER_00: No, I know. 00:30:28.620 --> 00:30:32.779 SPEAKER_00: It's just math, but it just seems like we're not really. 00:30:32.819 --> 00:30:36.940 SPEAKER_08: I know, but normally you don't track to that level of detail. 00:30:36.940 --> 00:30:39.539 SPEAKER_08: So anyway, I mean, I have no problem with this. 00:30:39.539 --> 00:30:45.899 SPEAKER_08: I think, I mean, looking at climate chaos, we're going to end up with a rolling tenure 00:30:45.899 --> 00:30:51.420 SPEAKER_08: makes a lot more sense to me than five years because it's going to get dramatically worse 00:30:51.420 --> 00:30:52.619 SPEAKER_08: very quickly. 00:30:52.619 --> 00:30:57.180 SPEAKER_08: And that's the only way probably to be more accurate and fair. 00:30:57.180 --> 00:30:59.500 SPEAKER_08: So I'm fine with it. 00:30:59.500 --> 00:31:01.500 SPEAKER_06: Okay. 00:31:01.500 --> 00:31:04.779 SPEAKER_06: Director Rose and then President Tamayo. 00:31:04.779 --> 00:31:12.819 Unknown: I read the triple S, but I hadn't scrolled through the presentation prior to the meeting. 00:31:12.819 --> 00:31:17.859 SPEAKER_02: For me, when you look at the major events, it really is a measure of our ability to respond 00:31:17.859 --> 00:31:19.819 SPEAKER_02: to a disaster, right? 00:31:19.819 --> 00:31:22.900 SPEAKER_02: Which isn't a measure of our system reliability, right? 00:31:22.900 --> 00:31:27.619 SPEAKER_02: The real core number is without the major events. 00:31:27.619 --> 00:31:32.419 SPEAKER_02: When we looked at that slide with the history, if you go back the previous five years that 00:31:32.419 --> 00:31:36.339 SPEAKER_02: we were on that graph, we weren't meeting the standard without major events. 00:31:36.339 --> 00:31:43.219 SPEAKER_02: I remember we had pretty significant upgrades that we did across our entire network and 00:31:43.219 --> 00:31:47.059 SPEAKER_02: rebalancing our system to try to minimize outages as well as a bunch of the re-closer 00:31:47.059 --> 00:31:50.299 SPEAKER_02: technology, et cetera. 00:31:50.299 --> 00:31:52.659 SPEAKER_02: So I think it really is a good report. 00:31:52.659 --> 00:31:55.779 SPEAKER_02: We're meeting our reliability standard consistently. 00:31:56.420 --> 00:32:02.660 SPEAKER_02: I'd still understand the benchmarking around the standard without major events better. 00:32:02.660 --> 00:32:05.500 SPEAKER_02: It sounds like that data is in some form around. 00:32:05.500 --> 00:32:12.019 SPEAKER_02: Maybe that's just a short paragraph or two memo following up with that. 00:32:13.779 --> 00:32:14.819 SPEAKER_02: So I think that's good. 00:32:14.819 --> 00:32:23.019 SPEAKER_02: And then just in terms of the tenure, I would still like to get more information about the benchmarking. 00:32:23.019 --> 00:32:27.299 SPEAKER_02: So I at least know what the others are doing around this. 00:32:29.900 --> 00:32:34.339 SPEAKER_02: But otherwise, I'm fine with your proposed changes. 00:32:34.339 --> 00:32:38.139 SPEAKER_02: Knowing that the real key number is the one without the major events. 00:32:38.139 --> 00:32:43.379 SPEAKER_02: And we worked very hard and kudos to the staff on our, basically, our disaster response. 00:32:43.379 --> 00:32:47.819 SPEAKER_02: We've had way too much practice the last five years. 00:32:47.819 --> 00:32:49.139 SPEAKER_02: Okay. 00:32:49.139 --> 00:32:50.180 SPEAKER_06: President Tamayo. 00:32:50.180 --> 00:32:51.180 SPEAKER_06: Thank you. 00:32:51.180 --> 00:32:53.100 SPEAKER_01: So a couple of things. 00:32:53.100 --> 00:32:58.539 SPEAKER_01: In the benchmarking, if that's going to be reported on, it would be great if we could 00:32:58.539 --> 00:33:08.740 SPEAKER_01: include perhaps the POUs that Director Herber mentioned if they have that kind of standard 00:33:08.740 --> 00:33:16.420 SPEAKER_01: or maybe some other mid-sized ones that are reasonably close to us. 00:33:16.420 --> 00:33:23.660 SPEAKER_01: The other thing is the point that Director Rose made about the SADI with major events 00:33:23.660 --> 00:33:30.860 SPEAKER_01: is not so much – and it is a different phenomenon and it almost seems like it just ought to 00:33:30.860 --> 00:33:35.460 SPEAKER_01: be reported on or measured separately. 00:33:35.460 --> 00:33:36.460 SPEAKER_01: How did we respond? 00:33:36.460 --> 00:33:37.460 SPEAKER_01: And I don't know. 00:33:37.460 --> 00:33:43.100 SPEAKER_01: It's just – I don't have any problem with supporting this right now, but I'm wondering 00:33:43.899 --> 00:33:49.579 SPEAKER_01: did we think about just separating it out and saying this is how – this is a measure 00:33:49.579 --> 00:33:52.419 SPEAKER_01: just how we respond to major events? 00:33:52.419 --> 00:34:00.980 Unknown: You know, our major – the way we respond to our major events is we do not respond to 00:34:00.980 --> 00:34:04.099 SPEAKER_00: them differently than any of the storms, right? 00:34:04.099 --> 00:34:10.980 SPEAKER_00: So when the outages happen, our goal always is to restore power as quickly as possible 00:34:10.980 --> 00:34:16.260 SPEAKER_00: and our reliability – at our dedication to reliability does not change. 00:34:16.260 --> 00:34:24.380 SPEAKER_00: So separating – I mean, the targets are separated, so I'm not quite sure if I understand 00:34:24.380 --> 00:34:26.380 SPEAKER_00: your question correctly. 00:34:26.380 --> 00:34:35.579 Unknown: Well, I guess because – I mean, you've already recognized that it's a different 00:34:35.579 --> 00:34:44.940 SPEAKER_01: kind of a situation that stresses our – basically it's because it stretches our resources more, 00:34:44.940 --> 00:34:51.179 SPEAKER_01: rather than – not that we're not getting people up as quickly as we can, but it still 00:34:51.179 --> 00:34:53.420 SPEAKER_01: is just a really different situation. 00:34:53.420 --> 00:34:57.860 SPEAKER_01: But anyway, I don't want to belabor that. 00:34:57.860 --> 00:35:02.860 SPEAKER_01: I just kind of wanted to know about the thinking. 00:35:03.860 --> 00:35:13.099 Unknown: Yeah, and one thing that I would say is that I'd like some information about the benchmarking. 00:35:13.099 --> 00:35:21.660 SPEAKER_06: You know, there's such a huge difference between the public power entities and the 00:35:21.660 --> 00:35:23.780 SPEAKER_06: investor-owned utilities. 00:35:23.780 --> 00:35:29.780 SPEAKER_06: And you know, you look at this benchmarking and, you know, we look pretty doggone good, 00:35:29.780 --> 00:35:36.220 SPEAKER_06: but we don't have our peers up there who are working as hard as we are. 00:35:36.220 --> 00:35:47.019 SPEAKER_06: So I personally don't mind making the change, because I think that it does make sense, but 00:35:47.019 --> 00:35:54.340 SPEAKER_06: I would just prefer that when you come and talk to us that you don't just quote the 00:35:54.340 --> 00:36:00.140 SPEAKER_06: utilities that are having a hard time keeping up with us. 00:36:00.140 --> 00:36:03.140 Unknown: Yes, Rob. 00:36:03.140 --> 00:36:06.140 Unknown: Thank you. 00:36:06.140 --> 00:36:09.420 Unknown: I want to make sure I understand. 00:36:09.420 --> 00:36:15.140 SPEAKER_03: So the time you're looking for here is 143 minutes. 00:36:15.140 --> 00:36:16.140 Unknown: Okay. 00:36:16.140 --> 00:36:21.340 SPEAKER_03: And so that's not after the major event ends. 00:36:21.340 --> 00:36:26.260 SPEAKER_03: That's, say, from the time the major event starts, right? 00:36:26.260 --> 00:36:27.860 SPEAKER_00: It's cumulative. 00:36:27.860 --> 00:36:32.260 SPEAKER_00: The SADI, including major events, already has the SADI excluding major events. 00:36:32.260 --> 00:36:33.260 SPEAKER_00: So that's on top. 00:36:33.260 --> 00:36:34.260 SPEAKER_00: So it's cumulative. 00:36:34.260 --> 00:36:40.460 SPEAKER_00: So the way the SADI is calculated, it's cumulative over the year. 00:36:40.460 --> 00:36:44.300 SPEAKER_00: So it's not just for the event itself. 00:36:44.300 --> 00:36:52.060 SPEAKER_00: It's all the outages, but the number here, the 142.8, would be including the major outages. 00:36:52.060 --> 00:37:00.380 SPEAKER_00: When we exclude them, we're still holding ourselves accountable to the 68.7 minutes. 00:37:00.380 --> 00:37:01.580 SPEAKER_03: Okay. 00:37:01.580 --> 00:37:11.060 SPEAKER_03: But when we include them and we add it in, that means restorations are, of course, occurring 00:37:11.060 --> 00:37:12.860 SPEAKER_03: during the storms. 00:37:12.860 --> 00:37:13.860 SPEAKER_03: That's right. 00:37:14.420 --> 00:37:15.420 Unknown: Okay. 00:37:15.420 --> 00:37:16.420 SPEAKER_03: Get those numbers. 00:37:16.420 --> 00:37:17.420 Unknown: Great. 00:37:17.420 --> 00:37:21.460 SPEAKER_03: You know, I have no problem with the change. 00:37:21.460 --> 00:37:23.539 SPEAKER_03: It's still a stretch goal. 00:37:23.539 --> 00:37:28.059 SPEAKER_03: And that's exactly what we want to do is make sure that folks are trying to figure out how 00:37:28.059 --> 00:37:30.980 SPEAKER_03: to keep the power on as much as we can. 00:37:30.980 --> 00:37:36.180 SPEAKER_03: And so this, but it does seem like a more realistic goal to have this. 00:37:36.180 --> 00:37:40.460 SPEAKER_03: So with that, thanks. 00:37:40.460 --> 00:37:41.460 SPEAKER_06: Thank you. 00:37:41.460 --> 00:37:43.740 SPEAKER_06: Any last comments from anyone? 00:37:43.740 --> 00:37:52.380 Unknown: I just don't know if staff wants to jump in, but maybe there's a lost in translation. 00:37:52.380 --> 00:37:58.980 SPEAKER_04: So go back to the slide that says CPUC, which is California utilities. 00:37:58.980 --> 00:38:01.659 SPEAKER_04: So I guess I'm kind of clear. 00:38:01.659 --> 00:38:02.900 SPEAKER_04: I guess I don't need to get. 00:38:02.900 --> 00:38:10.179 SPEAKER_04: So Rosanna, you want the specific utilities plucked out, but I understood they are part 00:38:10.179 --> 00:38:11.500 SPEAKER_04: of the benchmark. 00:38:11.500 --> 00:38:14.859 SPEAKER_04: So what are you not getting that he's not presenting? 00:38:14.859 --> 00:38:21.059 SPEAKER_04: Because I'm kind of confused as to because I thought what you presented did include that. 00:38:21.059 --> 00:38:23.579 SPEAKER_04: So is that am I the one that's wrong? 00:38:23.579 --> 00:38:24.579 SPEAKER_04: Because I'm confused. 00:38:24.579 --> 00:38:34.659 SPEAKER_04: Well, the reason I'm asking is because I don't see 35 little plots there. 00:38:34.659 --> 00:38:44.019 SPEAKER_06: I see plots here for Bear Valley, for Pacific Corps. 00:38:44.019 --> 00:38:47.699 SPEAKER_06: These are all investor owned utilities. 00:38:47.699 --> 00:38:51.259 SPEAKER_06: And so that's what I want to know. 00:38:51.259 --> 00:38:55.619 SPEAKER_06: I want to know what Lodi has. 00:38:55.619 --> 00:38:58.019 SPEAKER_06: I want to know what Roseville has. 00:38:58.019 --> 00:39:03.539 SPEAKER_06: I want to know even some of the other utilities. 00:39:03.539 --> 00:39:06.139 SPEAKER_06: I can't think of them all. 00:39:06.139 --> 00:39:15.539 SPEAKER_06: But I do know that in your calculation, you did look at a lot more utilities. 00:39:15.539 --> 00:39:24.460 SPEAKER_06: It's just this doesn't give me a lot of confidence because I know we're a lot better than those 00:39:24.460 --> 00:39:30.380 SPEAKER_06: utilities were not as good as, well, we might be. 00:39:30.380 --> 00:39:36.659 SPEAKER_06: We might even be better than Lodi and all of the rest of them. 00:39:36.659 --> 00:39:42.420 SPEAKER_06: So that is just kind of a presentation. 00:39:42.420 --> 00:39:53.059 SPEAKER_06: Note that staff should realize that the board is going to want to compare ourselves to some 00:39:53.059 --> 00:40:02.259 SPEAKER_06: of the community owned utilities that are working hard to keep the outages down. 00:40:02.259 --> 00:40:10.500 SPEAKER_06: So I don't have a problem with changing our time because it is a more realistic goal. 00:40:10.500 --> 00:40:20.659 SPEAKER_06: So anyway, do we have any comments from our online folks? 00:40:20.659 --> 00:40:23.819 SPEAKER_06: I don't have any cards from our officers. 00:40:23.819 --> 00:40:26.219 SPEAKER_06: No, we do not. 00:40:26.219 --> 00:40:27.219 Unknown: Okay. 00:40:27.219 --> 00:40:28.500 SPEAKER_06: Well, thank you very much. 00:40:28.500 --> 00:40:33.059 SPEAKER_06: We'll put this on our consent calendar. 00:40:33.059 --> 00:40:42.179 SPEAKER_06: Item number three is board monitoring of board staff linkage, evaluation of the CEO's performance, 00:40:42.179 --> 00:40:53.259 SPEAKER_06: BL delegation to the CEO, and BL8 delegation to the CEO with respect to procurement. 00:40:53.259 --> 00:41:04.639 SPEAKER_06: And as we go through this, next slide, looks like we have five board members who feel like 00:41:04.639 --> 00:41:14.559 SPEAKER_06: we have the criteria for evaluating the CEO and one person who feels who are at the medium 00:41:14.559 --> 00:41:25.000 SPEAKER_06: level and the same way with additional performance discussions and check-ins with the CEO. 00:41:25.000 --> 00:41:34.559 SPEAKER_06: Five are highly compliant and one is medium. 00:41:34.559 --> 00:41:41.000 SPEAKER_06: Do any board members want to talk about the one medium? 00:41:41.000 --> 00:41:43.079 Unknown: Okay. 00:41:43.079 --> 00:41:47.119 SPEAKER_06: Well then here is another evaluation. 00:41:47.119 --> 00:41:52.759 SPEAKER_06: We get six highs for the score. 00:41:52.759 --> 00:42:03.079 Unknown: BL7 is delegation to the CEO, what we delegate to the CEO to make decisions on. 00:42:03.079 --> 00:42:12.639 SPEAKER_06: And there's a couple of different sections, but all board members who answered the survey 00:42:12.639 --> 00:42:16.759 SPEAKER_06: feel that we have high compliance, so this is good. 00:42:16.759 --> 00:42:28.559 SPEAKER_06: And then in respect to procurement, we do the idea is SMUD's procurement activities will 00:42:28.559 --> 00:42:33.440 SPEAKER_06: be competitive whenever practical. 00:42:33.440 --> 00:42:40.880 SPEAKER_06: Our compliance scores, we have five high scores and one medium score. 00:42:40.880 --> 00:42:47.440 SPEAKER_06: Does the medium score person want to say anything? 00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:51.039 SPEAKER_06: Seeing none. 00:42:51.119 --> 00:42:59.119 SPEAKER_06: The next one is direct procurement will be utilized when it's in SMUD's best interest. 00:42:59.119 --> 00:43:05.440 SPEAKER_06: Direct procurement is the purchase of goods or services without competition when multiple 00:43:05.440 --> 00:43:09.199 SPEAKER_06: sources of supply are available. 00:43:09.199 --> 00:43:10.559 SPEAKER_06: Comments. 00:43:10.559 --> 00:43:14.480 SPEAKER_06: We did get two comments. 00:43:14.480 --> 00:43:25.639 SPEAKER_06: And the first one is there is a demonstrable reason to do so. 00:43:25.639 --> 00:43:31.679 SPEAKER_06: And the other comment is that this should be a rare occurrence. 00:43:31.679 --> 00:43:37.920 SPEAKER_06: And compliance is six, so the board feels comfortable with this. 00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:38.920 Unknown: Question. 00:43:38.920 --> 00:43:39.920 SPEAKER_06: Yes. 00:43:40.880 --> 00:43:45.280 SPEAKER_08: If somebody is making comments that specific, I'm surprised nobody is talking about it because 00:43:45.280 --> 00:43:48.400 SPEAKER_08: those are pretty significant comments. 00:43:48.400 --> 00:43:51.079 Unknown: I mean, nobody. 00:43:51.079 --> 00:43:52.920 SPEAKER_06: It's okay. 00:43:52.920 --> 00:44:00.920 SPEAKER_06: Well I made one of the comments and, you know, I think it's understandable that it should 00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:09.200 SPEAKER_06: be a rare occurrence and that there has to be a demonstrable reason to do so. 00:44:09.199 --> 00:44:13.439 SPEAKER_06: But I'm open for discussion. 00:44:13.439 --> 00:44:16.079 Unknown: Well, I don't know. 00:44:16.079 --> 00:44:19.639 SPEAKER_04: The point of the comment is to make a change. 00:44:19.639 --> 00:44:22.079 SPEAKER_04: So are you just commenting to comment? 00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:24.960 SPEAKER_04: Are you commenting so that we can make a fundamental change? 00:44:24.960 --> 00:44:25.960 SPEAKER_04: Yeah. 00:44:25.960 --> 00:44:26.960 SPEAKER_04: Because that's what comments are. 00:44:26.960 --> 00:44:30.439 SPEAKER_04: If we'd like, let's go back to basics as to why we fill this out. 00:44:30.439 --> 00:44:33.960 SPEAKER_04: The reason why you comment is so that we can make a material change. 00:44:33.960 --> 00:44:37.919 SPEAKER_04: So you're suggesting a material change or you're just commenting to say this should 00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:41.440 SPEAKER_04: be rare or do you want to actually put those words in there? 00:44:41.440 --> 00:44:44.200 Unknown: It's a really good question. 00:44:44.200 --> 00:44:48.280 SPEAKER_08: It's actually confusing to me because if you're going to make comments that important, still 00:44:48.280 --> 00:44:51.800 SPEAKER_08: score high and not like what's the point of, I don't know, is this confusing? 00:44:51.800 --> 00:44:57.920 SPEAKER_08: I guess we should remind the purpose of this survey when you comment, it's because you 00:44:57.920 --> 00:44:59.960 SPEAKER_04: want to make a material change. 00:44:59.960 --> 00:45:05.599 SPEAKER_04: How this came about, it was before you all were here, is because we didn't have a mechanism 00:45:05.599 --> 00:45:08.319 SPEAKER_04: to collect without talking about it live. 00:45:08.319 --> 00:45:12.719 SPEAKER_04: The purpose of making a comment is that you actually want a material change, not just 00:45:12.719 --> 00:45:13.719 SPEAKER_04: a comment. 00:45:13.719 --> 00:45:18.039 SPEAKER_04: So maybe we need to bring back context as to the purpose as to why we do the pre-survey 00:45:18.039 --> 00:45:23.679 SPEAKER_04: because back in the day, we used to discuss it in open public and it can get messy. 00:45:23.679 --> 00:45:28.559 SPEAKER_04: The purpose is to do the pre-work before, gather the comments and actually do something 00:45:28.559 --> 00:45:29.559 SPEAKER_04: about it. 00:45:29.559 --> 00:45:32.039 SPEAKER_04: So do you want something done or are you just commenting? 00:45:32.039 --> 00:45:33.599 SPEAKER_06: Very, very good question. 00:45:33.599 --> 00:45:35.480 SPEAKER_06: I want something done. 00:45:35.599 --> 00:45:42.920 SPEAKER_06: I actually think that we should add this should be a rare occurrence at the end of B. 00:45:46.360 --> 00:45:48.760 SPEAKER_04: What's the difference of rare? 00:45:48.760 --> 00:45:50.760 SPEAKER_04: So you need a... 00:45:51.240 --> 00:45:57.000 Unknown: Well, that it's not just because it's in the interest of SMUD. 00:45:57.000 --> 00:46:03.639 SPEAKER_06: It should also be rare, not often done. 00:46:03.639 --> 00:46:08.920 SPEAKER_06: And I don't know who wanted a demonstrable reason to do so, but it makes sense. 00:46:08.920 --> 00:46:11.239 SPEAKER_06: Maybe we could get some comments from our... 00:46:11.239 --> 00:46:15.239 SPEAKER_06: I'll give a comment. 00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:21.000 SPEAKER_02: When you look at A above B, it says, procurement shall be competitive wherever practical. 00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:26.400 SPEAKER_02: So then do I didn't need to say in B that it's rare because A says this is what you 00:46:26.400 --> 00:46:29.639 SPEAKER_02: should be doing as a matter of practice. 00:46:29.639 --> 00:46:30.639 Unknown: Right? 00:46:31.119 --> 00:46:37.119 Unknown: Well, not the way I read it, but maybe let me ask the attorney. 00:46:37.119 --> 00:46:40.559 SPEAKER_06: Yeah, it's Laura Lewis, Chief of the O and Government Affairs Officer. 00:46:40.559 --> 00:46:44.799 SPEAKER_07: I also oversee procurement and it is a rare occurrence. 00:46:44.799 --> 00:46:54.079 SPEAKER_07: In 2025, we had $1.5 million of direct procurement, which is a very minuscule amount of our total 00:46:54.079 --> 00:46:55.840 SPEAKER_07: end contracting spend. 00:46:55.840 --> 00:47:01.679 SPEAKER_07: And we do typically only do direct procurement when there's a need to move quickly. 00:47:01.679 --> 00:47:08.360 SPEAKER_07: So for example, we procured a fencing contractor to support line work after a storm. 00:47:08.360 --> 00:47:11.840 SPEAKER_07: That's work that we normally don't do and we had to get the fence back up quickly. 00:47:11.840 --> 00:47:12.840 SPEAKER_07: So that's the type. 00:47:12.840 --> 00:47:14.559 SPEAKER_07: It's pretty rare. 00:47:14.559 --> 00:47:16.159 SPEAKER_07: I think staff understands it's rare. 00:47:16.159 --> 00:47:21.799 SPEAKER_07: We don't prefer direct procurements, but we do utilize them when there is a reason to 00:47:21.799 --> 00:47:22.799 SPEAKER_07: do that. 00:47:22.799 --> 00:47:23.799 SPEAKER_06: I see. 00:47:23.800 --> 00:47:27.800 SPEAKER_07: We're tracking about the same amount of direct procurement. 00:47:27.800 --> 00:47:34.160 SPEAKER_07: And our limits for direct procurement are actually a lot less than other local agencies. 00:47:34.160 --> 00:47:42.519 SPEAKER_07: So our City of Sacramento threshold, they can go up to $250,000 with direct procurements 00:47:42.519 --> 00:47:44.240 SPEAKER_07: and ours is a lot lower than that. 00:47:44.240 --> 00:47:45.240 Unknown: I see. 00:47:45.240 --> 00:47:46.240 Unknown: Okay. 00:47:46.240 --> 00:47:53.440 Unknown: Well, I'll retract my this should be a rare occurrence because you've already demonstrated 00:47:53.440 --> 00:47:56.559 SPEAKER_06: that it is. 00:47:56.559 --> 00:48:07.200 SPEAKER_06: I'm not sure who the comment came from that there should be a demonstrable reason to do 00:48:07.200 --> 00:48:08.200 SPEAKER_06: so. 00:48:08.200 --> 00:48:09.940 SPEAKER_06: That wasn't me. 00:48:09.940 --> 00:48:15.119 SPEAKER_06: So I don't know if we need to change that, President Tamayo. 00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:24.639 SPEAKER_06: Well, I would argue that that's very repetitive of just being in SMUD's best interest. 00:48:24.639 --> 00:48:29.159 SPEAKER_01: I don't think there's a reason to add that language. 00:48:29.159 --> 00:48:30.559 SPEAKER_08: Can I make a suggestion? 00:48:30.559 --> 00:48:35.799 SPEAKER_08: Because I think just starting this as comments is what's confusing. 00:48:35.799 --> 00:48:44.839 SPEAKER_08: And I think maybe if we change that to possible consideration of changes to the policy. 00:48:44.860 --> 00:48:49.600 SPEAKER_08: So that way it's really clear like we should be thinking clearly before we get here about 00:48:49.600 --> 00:48:53.200 SPEAKER_08: if we're going to recommend changes, what words would you put on the page? 00:48:53.200 --> 00:48:55.039 SPEAKER_08: How would you change that language? 00:48:55.039 --> 00:48:58.640 SPEAKER_08: So that way everybody can come in kind of more prepared to discuss that. 00:48:58.640 --> 00:49:01.559 SPEAKER_08: It would be a lot, I think, more constructive maybe. 00:49:01.559 --> 00:49:03.960 Unknown: Yes, Mr. President. 00:49:03.960 --> 00:49:06.800 SPEAKER_06: And then Director Rose. 00:49:06.800 --> 00:49:13.900 SPEAKER_01: Well I would say that I wouldn't I think comments could also be used to indicate there's a need 00:49:13.900 --> 00:49:18.099 SPEAKER_01: for clarification or hey, I don't really understand this. 00:49:18.099 --> 00:49:21.980 SPEAKER_01: I don't know if it's, you know, what this is getting at. 00:49:21.980 --> 00:49:32.300 SPEAKER_01: So I don't think that we should limit ourselves in comments to asking for a specific change. 00:49:32.300 --> 00:49:39.099 SPEAKER_01: I think sometimes it's a little bit vague or we're not really sure how we're demonstrating 00:49:39.099 --> 00:49:40.099 SPEAKER_01: compliance. 00:49:41.099 --> 00:49:43.900 SPEAKER_01: And maybe we just need an explanation. 00:49:43.900 --> 00:49:46.219 SPEAKER_01: So I wouldn't want to limit that. 00:49:46.219 --> 00:49:55.539 SPEAKER_01: But I do think that if you make something like these are that seem to imply a wording 00:49:55.539 --> 00:50:05.500 SPEAKER_01: change that I mean be clear about what you're making the comment for. 00:50:05.500 --> 00:50:13.539 SPEAKER_01: Whether it's for clarification, whether it's for a specific change, something like that. 00:50:13.539 --> 00:50:15.940 SPEAKER_06: Did you have a comment, Director Rose? 00:50:15.940 --> 00:50:17.139 SPEAKER_02: Two comments. 00:50:17.139 --> 00:50:20.900 SPEAKER_02: One is the classic of it's not broke, don't fix it. 00:50:20.900 --> 00:50:24.019 SPEAKER_02: Some things seem to be running fairly well. 00:50:24.019 --> 00:50:29.179 SPEAKER_02: Although I would be totally open to add in that demonstrable reason to do so. 00:50:29.179 --> 00:50:35.340 SPEAKER_02: But it leads me to this idea where it says things are in SMUD's best interest. 00:50:35.660 --> 00:50:39.100 SPEAKER_02: I always think of our contracting as a partnership. 00:50:39.100 --> 00:50:45.019 SPEAKER_02: And I've heard on a rare occasion from people who have bid, they felt like SMUD was picking 00:50:45.019 --> 00:50:53.300 SPEAKER_02: and choosing strictly in SMUD's own best interest, which sometimes meant they didn't have a chance 00:50:53.300 --> 00:50:58.380 SPEAKER_02: to bid or they didn't feel like they were necessarily being treated fairly as somebody 00:50:58.380 --> 00:51:00.620 Unknown: who was participating in our bidding process. 00:51:00.620 --> 00:51:04.980 SPEAKER_02: And so I think that leads more to the idea that yes, it is a partnership, right? 00:51:05.099 --> 00:51:09.300 SPEAKER_02: Of course we're going to operate in our best interest, but we also have to be respectful 00:51:09.300 --> 00:51:12.980 SPEAKER_02: when we ask these companies to come in and put in these bids and the time and resources 00:51:12.980 --> 00:51:15.300 SPEAKER_02: it takes to do that. 00:51:15.300 --> 00:51:20.980 SPEAKER_02: That we're not strictly, strictly complete at being insular. 00:51:20.980 --> 00:51:25.539 SPEAKER_02: I don't have really honestly a clue how you would represent that into an SD. 00:51:25.539 --> 00:51:34.179 SPEAKER_02: But I do think it's a larger issue with how we can get perceived in our procurement. 00:51:34.980 --> 00:51:38.500 Unknown: All righty. 00:51:38.500 --> 00:51:46.260 SPEAKER_06: And just like to see if there are any comments from our virtual attendees. 00:51:46.260 --> 00:51:51.139 SPEAKER_06: I have no notes for here. 00:51:51.139 --> 00:52:00.579 Unknown: I see no hands, so no public comment on this item. 00:52:01.299 --> 00:52:03.299 SPEAKER_06: Okay. 00:52:03.299 --> 00:52:11.380 SPEAKER_06: Then we're going to now move on to the board work plan and I'll turn this over to President Tamayo. 00:52:30.579 --> 00:52:48.340 Unknown: I think that a lot of folks have asked about it. 00:52:48.340 --> 00:52:51.059 SPEAKER_06: So that's good to know. 00:52:51.059 --> 00:52:53.059 Unknown: Yeah. 00:52:53.059 --> 00:52:57.019 Unknown: So, and I'm sorry, it hasn't really gone through. 00:52:57.019 --> 00:53:03.300 SPEAKER_01: So the large load is definitely something that's of interest to, you know, I've gotten 00:53:03.300 --> 00:53:07.820 SPEAKER_01: a number of questions about it from a lot of different sources. 00:53:07.820 --> 00:53:10.619 SPEAKER_01: And it seems to be in the media quite a bit. 00:53:10.619 --> 00:53:14.539 SPEAKER_01: So that should be pretty interesting. 00:53:14.539 --> 00:53:26.219 SPEAKER_01: I think that we should probably expect that we will have people in attendance since there's 00:53:26.219 --> 00:53:31.980 SPEAKER_01: a number of people who are actually kind of upset about it. 00:53:31.980 --> 00:53:41.980 SPEAKER_01: And I think that we have some very interesting things coming up in October with the geothermal 00:53:41.980 --> 00:53:48.099 SPEAKER_01: and carbon sequestration talk. 00:53:48.099 --> 00:53:53.419 SPEAKER_01: I think that some changes in that will make that very interesting. 00:53:53.420 --> 00:54:03.099 SPEAKER_01: I'm particularly interested in finding out if there's any intelligence on where CalPine 00:54:03.099 --> 00:54:12.700 SPEAKER_01: is at in their consideration of whether to move forward on that. 00:54:12.700 --> 00:54:16.380 SPEAKER_01: I would agree. 00:54:16.380 --> 00:54:19.019 SPEAKER_02: I've not seen an update in a while. 00:54:19.019 --> 00:54:20.019 SPEAKER_01: Yeah. 00:54:20.019 --> 00:54:28.380 SPEAKER_01: So, and I know that the geothermal, you know, including from our discussion last night, 00:54:28.380 --> 00:54:37.940 SPEAKER_01: it seems like something that would be nice to know more about where that's all headed. 00:54:37.940 --> 00:54:46.099 SPEAKER_01: And I think also our monitoring report on customer relations and outreach and communication. 00:54:46.099 --> 00:54:53.059 SPEAKER_01: I'm very interested to see how we're doing with that. 00:54:53.059 --> 00:55:00.059 SPEAKER_01: And if there's, you know, what we think about how we're doing with that. 00:55:00.059 --> 00:55:10.380 SPEAKER_01: So I'm not saying that as far as that I expect there to be major problems. 00:55:10.380 --> 00:55:15.579 SPEAKER_01: But I think that's one of the most important things that we do. 00:55:15.579 --> 00:55:18.619 SPEAKER_01: We don't have anything in the parking lot. 00:55:18.619 --> 00:55:23.860 SPEAKER_01: I think that's, you know, encourage board members to think about that. 00:55:23.860 --> 00:55:30.340 Unknown: I've had one issue on my mind that I wanted to bring up with everyone regarding the budget 00:55:30.340 --> 00:55:32.860 SPEAKER_02: presentations last year. 00:55:32.860 --> 00:55:38.699 SPEAKER_02: We changed the budget presentations to not have our individual executives review their 00:55:38.699 --> 00:55:40.199 SPEAKER_02: work. 00:55:40.199 --> 00:55:45.919 SPEAKER_02: But I would personally think I might like to have that put in or maybe gets turned 00:55:45.919 --> 00:55:50.039 SPEAKER_02: into almost like a work plan review. 00:55:50.039 --> 00:55:54.279 SPEAKER_02: I don't think that's quite the right terminology. 00:55:54.279 --> 00:55:57.099 SPEAKER_02: Maybe that goes in December or spread out a little bit. 00:55:57.099 --> 00:56:03.159 SPEAKER_02: But I definitely I'm the one who wanted them removed and now I'm finding that I'm missing 00:56:03.159 --> 00:56:06.559 SPEAKER_02: them and getting that summary review. 00:56:06.559 --> 00:56:14.679 SPEAKER_02: So I just wanted to see if any of the rest of you had any thoughts on that as well. 00:56:14.679 --> 00:56:20.440 SPEAKER_02: Flip and flop. 00:56:20.440 --> 00:56:26.320 Unknown: A lot of silence is generally enough. 00:56:26.320 --> 00:56:33.920 SPEAKER_01: Maybe that's something that we consider just having a discussion about what we would like 00:56:33.920 --> 00:56:34.920 SPEAKER_01: to get out of it. 00:56:34.920 --> 00:56:40.760 SPEAKER_01: Not that we're looking at a specific budget or budget presentation, but what do we feel 00:56:40.760 --> 00:56:42.360 SPEAKER_01: like we need to have? 00:56:42.360 --> 00:56:49.639 SPEAKER_01: It's almost like not in the context of the budget, but more in the context of summarizing 00:56:49.639 --> 00:56:59.760 SPEAKER_02: that unit's work for the year. 00:56:59.760 --> 00:57:09.880 SPEAKER_06: I wanted to bring it up since June, I don't want to say it in October. 00:57:09.880 --> 00:57:13.600 SPEAKER_02: You guys put together a presentation in three weeks, right? 00:57:13.600 --> 00:57:15.600 SPEAKER_02: That's not fair. 00:57:15.600 --> 00:57:25.120 SPEAKER_01: Well, maybe a way to go about it is you could have a discussion with appropriate members 00:57:25.119 --> 00:57:34.719 SPEAKER_01: of Scott about what you're thinking would be a useful type of information to have. 00:57:34.719 --> 00:57:41.599 SPEAKER_01: And then if there's maybe some concrete ideas, bring it back and we could just talk about 00:57:41.599 --> 00:57:47.039 SPEAKER_01: it as a group and see if that do we want that or staff could just decide, yeah, that makes 00:57:47.039 --> 00:57:48.039 SPEAKER_01: sense. 00:57:48.039 --> 00:57:49.880 SPEAKER_01: We're going to do that. 00:57:49.880 --> 00:57:55.680 SPEAKER_01: But it would be nice if we're all more or less on the same page as to the level or the 00:57:55.680 --> 00:57:57.640 SPEAKER_01: type of information and presentation. 00:57:57.640 --> 00:57:59.840 SPEAKER_01: Because it is a fair bit of work. 00:57:59.840 --> 00:58:02.960 SPEAKER_02: I want everybody to find value. 00:58:02.960 --> 00:58:03.960 Unknown: Yeah. 00:58:03.960 --> 00:58:04.960 Unknown: Okay. 00:58:04.960 --> 00:58:05.960 Unknown: We'll talk. 00:58:05.960 --> 00:58:06.960 SPEAKER_02: Yeah. 00:58:06.960 --> 00:58:08.960 SPEAKER_02: Thank you, guys. 00:58:08.960 --> 00:58:10.960 Unknown: All right. 00:58:10.960 --> 00:58:11.960 SPEAKER_06: Okay. 00:58:11.960 --> 00:58:17.320 SPEAKER_06: Well, do we have any comments from the public on our work plan? 00:58:18.320 --> 00:58:22.200 Unknown: No, we do not. 00:58:22.200 --> 00:58:23.200 SPEAKER_06: Okay. 00:58:23.200 --> 00:58:29.880 SPEAKER_06: The next item on the agenda is public comment for items not on the agenda. 00:58:29.880 --> 00:58:34.760 SPEAKER_06: Have we received any requests to speak to items not on the agenda? 00:58:34.760 --> 00:58:37.160 SPEAKER_06: No, we have not. 00:58:37.160 --> 00:58:38.280 SPEAKER_06: Okay. 00:58:38.280 --> 00:58:45.800 SPEAKER_06: Just want to remind anyone who might be listening that written comments received on items not 00:58:45.800 --> 00:58:53.840 SPEAKER_06: on the agenda will be included in the record if they are received within two hours of the 00:58:53.840 --> 00:58:56.000 SPEAKER_06: end of this meeting. 00:58:56.000 --> 00:59:02.880 SPEAKER_06: The last item on the agenda is to provide a summary of committee direction. 00:59:02.880 --> 00:59:10.120 SPEAKER_07: So I have staff will consider enhanced battery incentives for areas with frequent averages. 00:59:10.120 --> 00:59:13.640 SPEAKER_07: Staff will provide information related to benchmarking around SADI with major events, 00:59:13.639 --> 00:59:17.920 SPEAKER_07: including POUs and mid-sized utilities if they have the standard. 00:59:17.920 --> 00:59:21.239 SPEAKER_07: And then staff will meet with board members to understand what they would like to see 00:59:21.239 --> 00:59:23.480 SPEAKER_07: in the budget presentation. 00:59:23.480 --> 00:59:25.400 Unknown: Great. 00:59:25.400 --> 00:59:26.599 SPEAKER_06: Thank you. 00:59:26.599 --> 00:59:32.159 SPEAKER_06: And seeing no other items on tonight's agenda, this meeting is adjourned.